Posted On: April 25, 2022

The year is 1952, the place, Canada. A committee was sponsored by the Defence Research Board and called "Project Second Story." Its main purpose was to collect, catalogue and correlate data from UFO sighting reports. This committee developed a questionnaire and an interrogator’s instructional guide.

During April 1952, another secret government committee, separate from Project Magnet, but also involving Wilbert Smith, was established by Dr. O. M. Solandt, Chairman of the Defense Research Board. With the code name of Project Second Story, the committee comprised the following members:

Flight Lieutenant V. L. Bradley, Defense Research Board; Group Captain D. M. Edwards, Directorate of Air Intelligence; Dr. Peter Millman (Chairman), Dominion Observatory; H. C. Oatway (Secretary), Defense Research Board; Commander J. C. Pratt, Directorate of Naval Intelligence; Wilbert B. Smith, Department of Transport.

According to the minutes made available to Arthur Bray by the National Research Council, only five meetings took place, although it is known that there were more. The minutes of the first meeting on 21 April 1952 refer to a Royal Canadian Air Force report relating to the US Air Force Project Blue Book UFO investigation. This report was not made available, but Bray was eventually able to acquire a copy from a private source.

Plitherto classified secret, the RCAF document noted that there were certain patterns of sightings over major US port areas and atomic energy establishments, and that five percent of the reports came from scientists at the White Sands (missile) Proving Grounds, New Mexico. The report concluded with hopes that an official exchange of data could take place between Canada and the United States.

At the fifth meeting, on 9 March 1953, it was pointed out that although the evidence to date did not warrant a full-scale investigation by the Canadian armed forces, reports should continue to be collected at a central point, namely, the Directorate of Scientific Intelligence, Defense Research Board. The minutes make it clear that Project Second Story should continue to hold meetings at the discretion of the Chairman, yet no further minutes have been made officially available since they are probably still classified. Among them are almost certainly the minutes of a meeting to discuss Wilbert Smith’s extraordinary Project Magnet report, dated 10 August 1953, wherein he concluded that "we are faced with the substantial probability of the real existence of extraterrestrial vehicles." Arthur Bray was informed by a reliable source that this report went as high as Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent, who held it for three months.

Dr. Allen McNamara of the National Research Council admitted in a letter to Arthur Bray that the Project Magnet report was submitted to the Project Second Story Committee in 1953, but that "Mr. Smith’s conclusions were not supported by his own Department or the Second Story Committee."

Why then are the minutes of this and other meetings still classified? A clue to the degree of sensitivity over the UFO projects is contained in a Canadian government memorandum in my possession, dated 15 September 1969, which states in part:

"Dr. P. M. Millman, National Research council, has advised me that the documents reporting the results of the Second Story studies in project ‘Magnet’ be declassified. Since the question of flying saucers is still attracting public attention and since this file covers documents relating to the studies behind project ‘Magnet’ and, indeed, records much of the discussion in the Department of Transport surrounding project ‘Magnet’ which is confidential in nature, it is recommended that this file be down classified at least to the confidential level. At no time should it be made available to the public."

Eventually, as we have seen, certain Project Magnet and Second Story documents were released to bona fide researchers, but there is no doubt that some of the material is still classified. Arthur Bray subsequently acquired a copy of the minutes of another Project Second Story meeting from a private source. The government transmittal slip is dated 15 March 1954, and it is assumed that the meeting was held no earlier than a few weeks prior to that date. The minutes contain nothing really interesting, however, apart from some comments by Wilbert Smith on the experiments being conducted at the Shirleys Bay detecting station:

"Whether the phenomena be due to natural magnetic causes, or alien vehicles, there would probably be associated with a sighting some magnetic or radio noise disturbance. Also, there is a possibility of gamma radiation being associated with such phenomena. It has been suggested by some mathematicians that gravity waves may exist in reality. While we know practically nothing of such waves in nature, nevertheless, if the possibility exists, flying saucer phenomena, being largely an unknown field, might be a good place to look for such waves."

During a recorded interview with C.W. Fitch and George Popovitch in November 1961, Wilbert Smith admitted that a number of fragments from UFOs had been recovered and analyzed by his research group, including one that had been shot from a UFO near Washington, DC, in July 1952. Said Smith:

"I was informed that the disk was glowing and was about two feet in diameter. A glowing chunk flew off and the pilot saw it glowing all the way to the ground. He radioed his report and a ground party hurried to the scene. The thing was still glowing when they found it an hour later. The entire piece weighed about a pound. The segment that was loaned to me was about one third of that. It had been sawed off. There was iron rust, the thing was in reality a matrix of magnesium orthosilicate. The matrix had great numbers, thousands, of 15-micron spheres scattered through it"

Smith was asked if he had returned the piece to the US Air Force when he had completed his analysis. "Not the Air Force. Much higher than that," he replied. "The Central Intelligence Agency?" asked the interviewers. "I’m sorry, gentlemen, but I don’t care to go beyond that point," said Smith, but added, "I can say to you that it went to the hands of a highly classified group. You will have to solve that problem, their identity, for yourselves." In my opinion, that group was Majestic 12, referred to earlier in this chapter and elsewhere.

Wilbert Smith also confirmed that a mass of unidentified metal was recovered by his group in July 1960 in Canada. "There is about three thousand pounds of it," he told Fitch and Popovitch during the same interview.

"We have done a tremendous amount of detective work on this metal. We have something that was not brought to this earth by plane nor by boat nor by any helicopter. We are speculating that what we have is a portion of a very large device which came into this solar system. We don’t know when, but it had been in space a long time before it came to earth; we can tell that by the micrometeorites embedded in the surface. We have it but we don’t know what it is!"

Naturally, all such documentation on these cases, which simply must have been discussed by the Project Second Story Committee, remains classified to this day. And how curious that in an interview in 1969, Dr. Peter Millman, former Chairman of the committee, should say that meteorites are the "only proven thing that comes from outer space that we can examine. After all, we’ve never had a piece of a flying saucer."

My Take: This here is more smoking gun type material. Wilbert Smith was giving it all to us and nobody was really listening. I wonder if the recovered metal was somehow related to the Black Knight Satellite?

Resources: Above Top Secret, Timothy Good, 1988

Posted On: April 25, 2022

The year is 1952, the place, Canada. A committee was sponsored by the Defence Research Board and called "Project Second Story." Its main purpose was to collect, catalogue and correlate data from UFO sighting reports. This committee developed a questionnaire and an interrogator’s instructional guide.

During April 1952, another secret government committee, separate from Project Magnet, but also involving Wilbert Smith, was established by Dr. O. M. Solandt, Chairman of the Defense Research Board. With the code name of Project Second Story, the committee comprised the following members:

Flight Lieutenant V. L. Bradley, Defense Research Board; Group Captain D. M. Edwards, Directorate of Air Intelligence; Dr. Peter Millman (Chairman), Dominion Observatory; H. C. Oatway (Secretary), Defense Research Board; Commander J. C. Pratt, Directorate of Naval Intelligence; Wilbert B. Smith, Department of Transport.

According to the minutes made available to Arthur Bray by the National Research Council, only five meetings took place, although it is known that there were more. The minutes of the first meeting on 21 April 1952 refer to a Royal Canadian Air Force report relating to the US Air Force Project Blue Book UFO investigation. This report was not made available, but Bray was eventually able to acquire a copy from a private source.

Plitherto classified secret, the RCAF document noted that there were certain patterns of sightings over major US port areas and atomic energy establishments, and that five percent of the reports came from scientists at the White Sands (missile) Proving Grounds, New Mexico. The report concluded with hopes that an official exchange of data could take place between Canada and the United States.

At the fifth meeting, on 9 March 1953, it was pointed out that although the evidence to date did not warrant a full-scale investigation by the Canadian armed forces, reports should continue to be collected at a central point, namely, the Directorate of Scientific Intelligence, Defense Research Board. The minutes make it clear that Project Second Story should continue to hold meetings at the discretion of the Chairman, yet no further minutes have been made officially available since they are probably still classified. Among them are almost certainly the minutes of a meeting to discuss Wilbert Smith’s extraordinary Project Magnet report, dated 10 August 1953, wherein he concluded that "we are faced with the substantial probability of the real existence of extraterrestrial vehicles." Arthur Bray was informed by a reliable source that this report went as high as Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent, who held it for three months.

Dr. Allen McNamara of the National Research Council admitted in a letter to Arthur Bray that the Project Magnet report was submitted to the Project Second Story Committee in 1953, but that "Mr. Smith’s conclusions were not supported by his own Department or the Second Story Committee."

Why then are the minutes of this and other meetings still classified? A clue to the degree of sensitivity over the UFO projects is contained in a Canadian government memorandum in my possession, dated 15 September 1969, which states in part:

"Dr. P. M. Millman, National Research council, has advised me that the documents reporting the results of the Second Story studies in project ‘Magnet’ be declassified. Since the question of flying saucers is still attracting public attention and since this file covers documents relating to the studies behind project ‘Magnet’ and, indeed, records much of the discussion in the Department of Transport surrounding project ‘Magnet’ which is confidential in nature, it is recommended that this file be down classified at least to the confidential level. At no time should it be made available to the public."

Eventually, as we have seen, certain Project Magnet and Second Story documents were released to bona fide researchers, but there is no doubt that some of the material is still classified. Arthur Bray subsequently acquired a copy of the minutes of another Project Second Story meeting from a private source. The government transmittal slip is dated 15 March 1954, and it is assumed that the meeting was held no earlier than a few weeks prior to that date. The minutes contain nothing really interesting, however, apart from some comments by Wilbert Smith on the experiments being conducted at the Shirleys Bay detecting station:

"Whether the phenomena be due to natural magnetic causes, or alien vehicles, there would probably be associated with a sighting some magnetic or radio noise disturbance. Also, there is a possibility of gamma radiation being associated with such phenomena. It has been suggested by some mathematicians that gravity waves may exist in reality. While we know practically nothing of such waves in nature, nevertheless, if the possibility exists, flying saucer phenomena, being largely an unknown field, might be a good place to look for such waves."

During a recorded interview with C.W. Fitch and George Popovitch in November 1961, Wilbert Smith admitted that a number of fragments from UFOs had been recovered and analyzed by his research group, including one that had been shot from a UFO near Washington, DC, in July 1952. Said Smith:

"I was informed that the disk was glowing and was about two feet in diameter. A glowing chunk flew off and the pilot saw it glowing all the way to the ground. He radioed his report and a ground party hurried to the scene. The thing was still glowing when they found it an hour later. The entire piece weighed about a pound. The segment that was loaned to me was about one third of that. It had been sawed off. There was iron rust, the thing was in reality a matrix of magnesium orthosilicate. The matrix had great numbers, thousands, of 15-micron spheres scattered through it"

Smith was asked if he had returned the piece to the US Air Force when he had completed his analysis. "Not the Air Force. Much higher than that," he replied. "The Central Intelligence Agency?" asked the interviewers. "I’m sorry, gentlemen, but I don’t care to go beyond that point," said Smith, but added, "I can say to you that it went to the hands of a highly classified group. You will have to solve that problem, their identity, for yourselves." In my opinion, that group was Majestic 12, referred to earlier in this chapter and elsewhere.

Wilbert Smith also confirmed that a mass of unidentified metal was recovered by his group in July 1960 in Canada. "There is about three thousand pounds of it," he told Fitch and Popovitch during the same interview.

"We have done a tremendous amount of detective work on this metal. We have something that was not brought to this earth by plane nor by boat nor by any helicopter. We are speculating that what we have is a portion of a very large device which came into this solar system. We don’t know when, but it had been in space a long time before it came to earth; we can tell that by the micrometeorites embedded in the surface. We have it but we don’t know what it is!"

Naturally, all such documentation on these cases, which simply must have been discussed by the Project Second Story Committee, remains classified to this day. And how curious that in an interview in 1969, Dr. Peter Millman, former Chairman of the committee, should say that meteorites are the "only proven thing that comes from outer space that we can examine. After all, we’ve never had a piece of a flying saucer."

My Take: This here is more smoking gun type material. Wilbert Smith was giving it all to us and nobody was really listening. I wonder if the recovered metal was somehow related to the Black Knight Satellite?

Resources: Above Top Secret, Timothy Good, 1988