Posted On: June 2, 2023

Bit of a rambling post, apologies for the length. I've been following this topic for over 35 years now I guess, here are just some of my thoughts on the subject.

I guess first off, I'm the opposite of those who feel burned out by the subject.

After 30 years, getting the traction, news, some videos, and legislation has been a whirlwind to me.

After decades of stigma created by the military around the subject with smirking news anchors covering a UFO story, having it be discussed seriously is honestly mind-blowing to me.

And make no mistake, it is not the government itself creating this vacuum of information, it is just a branch of government, the military, that is stonewalling the populace.

And the Pentagon is still doing so.

They did not willingly release anything.

The scant videos that were painstakingly released via FOIA or the few leaked videos were simply acknowledged by them, nothing more.

They removed a key member of the investigative team prior to the first required report, making it the important but still joke of a short report that it was.

They have refused at every turn to cooperate, and their briefing where they showed maybe 2 frames of a dot and their people were clueless about the Wilson memo was laughable. They are not slow leaking anything, not disclosing anything, and not allowing their clear and probably damning videos to be declassified. The Pentagon is not your friend for this topic, they never have been, and are continuing a 7 + decade stonewalling campaign of ignorance.

People are angry with those revealing information and I honestly don't get it. Lue has gone above and beyond to reveal what he knew, risking his security clearance (which is the only way he makes a living). Not a single one of us would have even know there was a secret program to study UAP if not for him. Corbell is a cornball but he at least is trying to release new info as well. Keep in mind they are trying to do this the 'right' way. It's the only way to have the possibility to continue what they are doing. This involves probably 99% refusal for any FOIA requests or massively redacted info, proper CoC, and not leaking info that would cause the Pentagon to shut down their operations. Their efforts have led to the creation of legislation to allow reporting and hearings we haven't had in decades, along with agencies like NASA and private colleges and universities to open studies into it.

Not everything they release is going to be legit. Corbell should have admitted the last sighting was flares. He desperately wants everything to be real. But who cares. I have not given him a dime, and have had access to stuff he has produced that is legit, so I don't care about this sort of thing. It's flares.. I move on. I have not given him a dime. Lue and Corbell are 'grifting?' I don't think so for a second. They are not inventing fantasy to make money. If they were, they would not have the backing of Congress and they would not have created legislation around UAP, and NASA would not be studying it.

Might they make some money off what they do? Ok.. good for them. Will Lue write a book? I don't care. If so, I probably won't buy it, but I hope it does well. Will Corbell make money from his podcasts? Again, I don't care, I won't pay for anything, but I do appreciate the things he puts out there that are legitimately interesting. Just because any of these guys does something stupid or produced junk imo does not negate the content they have produced that is legitimately interesting. I ignore the noise, I care about substance, and if these guys can produce a single thing a year, that is a single thing a year more than I am used to getting in the past.

True grifting is Greer - guy who drops flares and tricks people into paying exorbitant fees for his mythical alien contact.

Two more ramblings.. debunkers and increase of sightings.

I am more a skeptic than I ever thought I would be when I started posting on ATS years ago before it went south, and here as well. The topic needs healthy skepticism. Debunking is different imo. In the past it was folks like Klass who would make claims like.. the Tehran UFO of 1972 was Jupiter. Utter nonsense. And now we have new folks who feel the need to debunk every sighting. I don't mind that they have skepticism. And they are often right. Mick West posting pictures of a flare for the recent sighting over a military base - he was right, Corbell was wrong. But imo, going into ALL sightings and assuming they all have a mundane explanation and attacking it from that angle is the wrong way to do it. Gather the facts first and be open minded. Your goal shouldn't be the 100% 'debunking' of every sighting produced. If you are approaching it like that, you are doing it wrong. You are not debunking off 'hard data' when you 100% don't have all the data. Eyewitnesses can be faulty, but 100% ignoring their testimony is also the wrong way to go about it. If courts had the same mentality, we wouldn't have a court system at all.

Finally, I do think there is an increase of sightings. In the past they were fairly rare. Then there was a period of 8 or so years where every dot in the sky was posted because a camera was attached to everything. And I don't mind.. people are genuinely curious of they caught the golden goose. I don't like outright hoaxers.

But there has been a recent increase imo. I trust pilots with over 10k air hours when they say they know exactly what satellites (including Starlink) satellites looks like, and their racetrack UAP are not satellites. They see them for long period of time (15 mins to hours). They dim and go bright again. They maneuver in multiple directions. Starlink existed for years, and long before last August when these sightings suddenly started being reported. Some pilots may well be seeing Starlink satellites. That doesn't mean they all are.

The recent fiasco with the U.S. going after 3 objects over a weekend is another anomalous event. Sure.. here is a selfie of a guy in a spy plane and the Chinese balloon, but no.. we won't release any video on UAP we spent hours trying to identify. And an official saying "There is a reason we are not calling them balloons." And NOAA saying flatly.. no, it is not a balloon of ours, our balloons don't hover. The sphere videos in the middle east. There is more activity.

Anyway, thanks for sticking around if you read all that. : ).

I just feel excited. Not bored, wore out, burned out, or led on. Compared to the past, the recent activity is moving at a ridiculous pace. It took Stanton Friedman 10 years in the Library of Congress and submitting FOIA requests to write his Top Secret / Majic book. The last 5 years is laughably fast in comparison. If you started following when the articles were first released several years ago, trust me when I say.. this is moving at a lightning pace for this subject. Be patient, and don't bite the hands that feed us. You don't have to agree with everything Lue or Corbell or anyone else says.. use your own judgement. But don't completely discount them either, they have provided a lot of content and movement on the subject we haven't had before.

My very final thought on this, is that it will probably take a very serious whistleblower (i.e. the next Snowden) to break this open. Not enough in Congress care about the subject to put any pressure on the Pentagon. Considering their debt ceiling bill gives the Pentagon even more leverage, it's unlikely they will be pressured to produce anything. An Executive Order does nothing. The President has no idea if what produced is the totality of what they have. I am hoping someone comes forth with direct involvement and lots of proof, maybe the increased pressure on the subject will help them make up their mind.

Post from user Hirokage at at reddit.

Posted On: June 2, 2023

Bit of a rambling post, apologies for the length. I've been following this topic for over 35 years now I guess, here are just some of my thoughts on the subject.

I guess first off, I'm the opposite of those who feel burned out by the subject.

After 30 years, getting the traction, news, some videos, and legislation has been a whirlwind to me.

After decades of stigma created by the military around the subject with smirking news anchors covering a UFO story, having it be discussed seriously is honestly mind-blowing to me.

And make no mistake, it is not the government itself creating this vacuum of information, it is just a branch of government, the military, that is stonewalling the populace.

And the Pentagon is still doing so.

They did not willingly release anything.

The scant videos that were painstakingly released via FOIA or the few leaked videos were simply acknowledged by them, nothing more.

They removed a key member of the investigative team prior to the first required report, making it the important but still joke of a short report that it was.

They have refused at every turn to cooperate, and their briefing where they showed maybe 2 frames of a dot and their people were clueless about the Wilson memo was laughable. They are not slow leaking anything, not disclosing anything, and not allowing their clear and probably damning videos to be declassified. The Pentagon is not your friend for this topic, they never have been, and are continuing a 7 + decade stonewalling campaign of ignorance.

People are angry with those revealing information and I honestly don't get it. Lue has gone above and beyond to reveal what he knew, risking his security clearance (which is the only way he makes a living). Not a single one of us would have even know there was a secret program to study UAP if not for him. Corbell is a cornball but he at least is trying to release new info as well. Keep in mind they are trying to do this the 'right' way. It's the only way to have the possibility to continue what they are doing. This involves probably 99% refusal for any FOIA requests or massively redacted info, proper CoC, and not leaking info that would cause the Pentagon to shut down their operations. Their efforts have led to the creation of legislation to allow reporting and hearings we haven't had in decades, along with agencies like NASA and private colleges and universities to open studies into it.

Not everything they release is going to be legit. Corbell should have admitted the last sighting was flares. He desperately wants everything to be real. But who cares. I have not given him a dime, and have had access to stuff he has produced that is legit, so I don't care about this sort of thing. It's flares.. I move on. I have not given him a dime. Lue and Corbell are 'grifting?' I don't think so for a second. They are not inventing fantasy to make money. If they were, they would not have the backing of Congress and they would not have created legislation around UAP, and NASA would not be studying it.

Might they make some money off what they do? Ok.. good for them. Will Lue write a book? I don't care. If so, I probably won't buy it, but I hope it does well. Will Corbell make money from his podcasts? Again, I don't care, I won't pay for anything, but I do appreciate the things he puts out there that are legitimately interesting. Just because any of these guys does something stupid or produced junk imo does not negate the content they have produced that is legitimately interesting. I ignore the noise, I care about substance, and if these guys can produce a single thing a year, that is a single thing a year more than I am used to getting in the past.

True grifting is Greer - guy who drops flares and tricks people into paying exorbitant fees for his mythical alien contact.

Two more ramblings.. debunkers and increase of sightings.

I am more a skeptic than I ever thought I would be when I started posting on ATS years ago before it went south, and here as well. The topic needs healthy skepticism. Debunking is different imo. In the past it was folks like Klass who would make claims like.. the Tehran UFO of 1972 was Jupiter. Utter nonsense. And now we have new folks who feel the need to debunk every sighting. I don't mind that they have skepticism. And they are often right. Mick West posting pictures of a flare for the recent sighting over a military base - he was right, Corbell was wrong. But imo, going into ALL sightings and assuming they all have a mundane explanation and attacking it from that angle is the wrong way to do it. Gather the facts first and be open minded. Your goal shouldn't be the 100% 'debunking' of every sighting produced. If you are approaching it like that, you are doing it wrong. You are not debunking off 'hard data' when you 100% don't have all the data. Eyewitnesses can be faulty, but 100% ignoring their testimony is also the wrong way to go about it. If courts had the same mentality, we wouldn't have a court system at all.

Finally, I do think there is an increase of sightings. In the past they were fairly rare. Then there was a period of 8 or so years where every dot in the sky was posted because a camera was attached to everything. And I don't mind.. people are genuinely curious of they caught the golden goose. I don't like outright hoaxers.

But there has been a recent increase imo. I trust pilots with over 10k air hours when they say they know exactly what satellites (including Starlink) satellites looks like, and their racetrack UAP are not satellites. They see them for long period of time (15 mins to hours). They dim and go bright again. They maneuver in multiple directions. Starlink existed for years, and long before last August when these sightings suddenly started being reported. Some pilots may well be seeing Starlink satellites. That doesn't mean they all are.

The recent fiasco with the U.S. going after 3 objects over a weekend is another anomalous event. Sure.. here is a selfie of a guy in a spy plane and the Chinese balloon, but no.. we won't release any video on UAP we spent hours trying to identify. And an official saying "There is a reason we are not calling them balloons." And NOAA saying flatly.. no, it is not a balloon of ours, our balloons don't hover. The sphere videos in the middle east. There is more activity.

Anyway, thanks for sticking around if you read all that. : ).

I just feel excited. Not bored, wore out, burned out, or led on. Compared to the past, the recent activity is moving at a ridiculous pace. It took Stanton Friedman 10 years in the Library of Congress and submitting FOIA requests to write his Top Secret / Majic book. The last 5 years is laughably fast in comparison. If you started following when the articles were first released several years ago, trust me when I say.. this is moving at a lightning pace for this subject. Be patient, and don't bite the hands that feed us. You don't have to agree with everything Lue or Corbell or anyone else says.. use your own judgement. But don't completely discount them either, they have provided a lot of content and movement on the subject we haven't had before.

My very final thought on this, is that it will probably take a very serious whistleblower (i.e. the next Snowden) to break this open. Not enough in Congress care about the subject to put any pressure on the Pentagon. Considering their debt ceiling bill gives the Pentagon even more leverage, it's unlikely they will be pressured to produce anything. An Executive Order does nothing. The President has no idea if what produced is the totality of what they have. I am hoping someone comes forth with direct involvement and lots of proof, maybe the increased pressure on the subject will help them make up their mind.

Post from user Hirokage at at reddit.